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| playground:wikitalk [2023/11/30 04:03] – [A Suggestion of Where to Put Stuff, as One Player Has Practiced It] clarissadunst | playground:wikitalk [2024/06/09 21:53] (current) – Proposal for wrangling the "items" namespace and organizing food/cooking topics pandabutter |
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| * Characters: individuals of the island, subdivided into | * Characters: individuals of the island, subdivided into |
| *npc - non-player-controlled characters like Mister Stern, Maiko, Seth, Emily, Dan, etc. | *npc - non-player-controlled characters like Mister Stern, Maiko, Seth, Emily, Dan, etc. |
| | *monster - npc jungle enemies like Lions, or the Hounds of a Minor Diplomatic Incident. |
| *player - player-controlled characters | *player - player-controlled characters |
| * Gameplay: mostly deals with stuff that has to do with the game side of things. | * Gameplay: mostly deals with stuff that has to do with the game side of things. |
| *classes: container for beings of the Improbable Island (classes like Jokermorphs, Titans, etc. — individuals go above under characters) | *classes: container for beings of the Improbable Island (classes like Jokermorphs, Titans, etc. — individuals go above under characters) |
| *lore: stuff about currently(ish) applicable island canon. If there is a lot of it on a single topic (as with Alexander Quandle's Squat-related stuff), it's getting a sub-header. | *lore: stuff about currently(ish) applicable island canon. If there is a lot of it on a single topic (as with Alexander Quandle's Squat-related stuff), it's getting a sub-header. |
| | *[[gameplay:pubgames|pubgames]] : a container for people to post about on-Island games. |
| *story: (maybe people want to post stories of theirs as they did on the old enquirer? idk) | *story: (maybe people want to post stories of theirs as they did on the old enquirer? idk) |
| * Places: overarching category | * Places: overarching category |
| - there also should be a food guide; the link's been created on the gameplay guides page, I just need to scrape in the guide to not starving from the old wiki. | - there also should be a food guide; the link's been created on the gameplay guides page, I just need to scrape in the guide to not starving from the old wiki. |
| - re: **cd**'s very reasonable question about whether meta:concepts:lie is meant to be a container: I had not thought of it as such. In part I think that ruins the jokiness of the unreliability of parts of the wiki, so I think it is a rational response to //how many// of those pages there are (and hopefully will continue to be!) that they just go into where they //would// belong, if true. Does that make sense? | - re: **cd**'s very reasonable question about whether meta:concepts:lie is meant to be a container: I had not thought of it as such. In part I think that ruins the jokiness of the unreliability of parts of the wiki, so I think it is a rational response to //how many// of those pages there are (and hopefully will continue to be!) that they just go into where they //would// belong, if true. Does that make sense? |
| - that said, some of these pages (e.g. the page on "death," or the page on "truth," etc.) start to stretch the bounds of **meta** as a category, and it seems like it will be useful to have some division there. Meta:history is, I think, for Island-related things that no longer exist, as discussed above. In the meantime, I think meta:items, meta:concepts, and possibly meta:people should cover some of the stuff that isn't obviously //definitely gameplay// (that will always be a judgment call I guess, but like "reality tv" is not really relevant to the gameplay, and only makes a fleeting appearance in the lore! so that's why I've put it in meta:concepts) | - that said, some of these pages (e.g. the page on "death," or the page on "truth," etc.) start to stretch the bounds of **meta** as a category, and it seems like it will be useful to have some division there. Meta:history is, I think, for Island-related things that no longer exist, as discussed above. In the meantime, I think meta:items, meta:concepts, and possibly meta:beings (for people and animals) should cover some of the stuff that isn't obviously //definitely gameplay// (that will always be a judgment call I guess, but like "reality tv" is not really relevant to the gameplay, and only makes a fleeting appearance in the lore! so that's why I've put it in meta:concepts) |
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| Finally, as you'll have noticed, we've alphabetized the new character list, scraped the old character list and shoved it in meta:history:characters:player:list (not opening the can of worms about outward links yet, there's enough other stuff to import first), and also added a mirror of player Places so that they are organized first alphabetically, then by X coordinate, then by Y coordinate. Happy wiki'ing! | Finally, as you'll have noticed, we've alphabetized the new character list, scraped the old character list and shoved it in meta:history:characters:player:list (not opening the can of worms about outward links yet, there's enough other stuff to import first), and also added a mirror of player Places so that they are organized first alphabetically, then by X coordinate, then by Y coordinate. Happy wiki'ing! |
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| (We should probably avoid making a category for official plot scenes, specifically for this purpose, huh.) | (We should probably avoid making a category for official plot scenes, specifically for this purpose, huh.) |
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| | **cd:** A quick note for anyone needing to scrape info from the old forums to fix red links. While they're completely and totally offline at the moment, the [[https://archive.org/|Wayback Machine]] archived a good number of posts! Currently, this is only useful for scraping text discussions (e.g. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20221206165517/http://enquirer.improbableisland.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=28412|what people sent to Rohit]], and (hypothetically) the pre-"report a monster sighting" player suggestion discussions), or images (e.g. old contest entries uploaded to the fileshare.) |
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| | Flash files are right out. The URLs can be retrieved by clicking the "about this capture" button, but even with Ruffle or entering the URL directly into your browser, they can't be played. The source of some of those [[https://web.archive.org/web/20200925031208/https://enquirer.improbableisland.com/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=20081023031332356|Pilot-era in-jokes]] remain an enigma for now. |
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| | **panda:** Ok, I have thoughts about how to wrangle the "items" namespace. Currently we have so much stuff in there that all counts as "items" in a real-world sense, but doesn't work the same way in-game. My proposal is to limit **items** to just "stuff that goes in your inventory" (candy, grenades, mementos, etc). Weapons, armor, and mounts are **equipment**. Req, cigs, cobblestones, and Supporter Points can be grouped under **Currency** (and probably share a page). |
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| | Then... food/drinks. I think we can avoid page overproliferation with judicious use of headers and internal links... here's my basic idea: |
| | ''gameplay:cooking'' contains info on the inventory-based cooking system. First paragraph: this is one way to refill stamina (''gameplay:stamina'') and reduce hunger (''gameplay:hunger''), the other way is to buy food at a restaurant (''outposts:restaurant''). The rest of the page is just about cooking - Maiko, meat, herbs, pans, etc. ''buildings:restaurant'' has the data tables about all the food sold at restaurants: one table for each restaurant, separated by headers. Then a more lore-focused description of, say, Cool Springs Cafe found in ''outposts:kittania#Cool Springs Cafe'' can have a little thing under the header saying "for the list of food sold here, see ''buildings:restaurant#Cool Springs Cafe''. (I have tested that this linking method works. Whee!) |
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| | Pubs contain multiple types of gameplay, so they can have their own pages linked to on their respective Outpost pages. And they only sell a drink or two each, which have fewer stats to track than food, so it's not a big deal to have those listed in multiple places if need be. |